Irish lineage is notoriously difficult to negotiate. Few records exist prior to 1800. Registration of all births, marriages and deaths did not begin until 1864. The census records from inception (1821) up to 1851 were destroyed by fire in 1922 during the Civil War. The records from 1861 – 1891 were, unbelievably, pulped by government order to support the 1914-18 war effort.
Add to this that County Cork was overrun with McCarthys and given names tended to follow a narrow pattern down through most families. The task of even reaching back to the mid 19c was not easy.
However, my Great-Grandpa Jeremiah married Mary (also a McCarthy) in 1864 in Dunmanway, West Cork. They are recorded living in West Green, Dunmanway in 1911 when Jeremiah was 74 and Mary 72.
One of their 11 children was Florence (Flor), my Grandpa (b.1877). He was to marry Ellen Murray (b.1880) in 1903. The Murrays hailed from the townland of Behagullane, which is a few miles north of Dunmanway. They made their home at ‘Tonafora’, a cottage down a lane a mile or so outside Dunmanway town. The story is that Flor was granted an acre of land to house his family.

Taken at Tonafora early 1930s – Grandma Ellen, Aunt Nuala, Grandpa Flor, two unknown aunts.
I have early memories of both Flor and Ellen. I spent several extended holidays at Tonafora as a child. Flor was, by some accounts, a harsh man. He worked hard at labouring and I recall he would regularly collect horse dung from the lane in a bucket for gardening purposes. My Grandma Ellen was always happy to see me though I recall that she could never understand a word I said to her, Dad having to translate.
More to come in part 3.
Thank you for sharing. This is a wonderful post.
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Ah thanks Sue. It’s really just to get this stuff recorded somewhere. If anyone else likes it then so much the better.
(You may hear echoes of that m/s you critiqued recently 🙂 )
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I have just been hiking in that part of the county today, near Castle Donovan, Dunmanway. Beautiful scenery everywhere.
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Hello Joan. That part of Cork is often overlooked as regards beauty. It can’t compare with many gorgeous parts of the county but I think it has its own rugged and atmospheric attraction. I’m overdue a trip back myself.
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Have you been back to Tonafora recently, Roy? I remember going back to my grandparents house as an adult and everything that loomed large seemed so incredibly small! It’s amazing the things we remember 🙂
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Hello Dianne. Sadly no trace remains of Tonafora – story to follow. It is certainly a wonder that a large family was successfully raised in what was a basic building. No wonder the Irish have a yearning to leave and see what else the world has to offer.
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It’s so frustrating to hit a dead end of no records, but it’s good that you’ve been able to gather this information. Most of my ancestors are either from the north east or from Scotland, but I believe I have at least one Irish ancestor.
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Hi Andrea. The chap that did the research had his work cut out for sure. The name similarities were a major issue and he had to do a lot of deduction and cross-checking. (And yes, everyone has a bit of Irish blood in them 🙂 )
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Love this post, Roy.
Couldn’t agree more about the difficulties with Irish records.
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I had no idea Jean. As if it wasn’t tricky enough without them deliberately destroying census records 😦 With few records and mainly unmarked burials before 1800 I think it’s only a few families who kept their own records which are traceable back beyond the 19c.
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I’ve had a mind to do some sort of course to see if there are ways around all this, like parish records – if you knew what parishes to go to and if they still had records.
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I understand that church/parish records are hit-and-miss. It would be good if there was a comprehensive index of such records that still exist.
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Wonderful story of your origins, Roy. It’s not easy to trace one’s roots over here, is it? 😊 I
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A devil of a job Ali. It’s pretty clear though that my lot didn’t stray very far from west Cork. I’m guessing that was the case going back before the written records.
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Hi Roy.
Thanks for sharing this and I share your frustration with the Irish records. I am descended from Curtins from Cork, County Cork, Donovans from Middleton and O’Sullivans from Mallow. I recently found out that I’m also descended from a Sullivan from Cork and I’m hoping my Sullivan is not closely related to my O’Sullivan as it turns out they lived around the corner from each other in the overcrowded slums of Sydney’s Surry Hills. It took me 30 years to find John Curtin’s arrival in Sydney in 1855 as he arrived as crew. I would love to find out more about how he and his family fared during the Irish famine. I have no idea what happened to his siblings after birth. I guess as a creative writer, that means I can make their story up but as a historian, I go for accuracy and hate such blanks.
BTW my Bridget Donovan was one of the Irish Famine Orphans sent out to Australia, so at least there’s some trace of her. There’s an Irish Famine Monument in Sydney and they have an annual celebration….free Guiness.
Best wishes,
Rowena
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Hello Rowena, wow how interesting. You’ve done well even to glean that information. Have you ever got anyone in Ireland to do any more digging around? I’d never have managed to do it without a bit of professional help. Lovely to hear from you and to know that you are of famous Cork heritage 🙂
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I found the recognition of lineage fascinating while I was in Ireland. Whenever people asked me if I was Irish, I said that one side of the family’s ancestry was from Ireland. Immediately, I’d be asked the last name(s). I said Keogh or Stepp. And whoever I said that to would immediately start telling me what part of Ireland my family must have been from. I’m not sure they were right, but I assume they know better than I do!
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It’s true that certain surnames are (or were) concentrated in a particular place. People tended not to travel far from their own communities back in the day. Once they did move it would be to Dublin, England or further afield.
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What a treasure trove old photos are and how frustrating that the records aren’t available. I love that name for a man, Florence- it seems more suited to the gender somehow. I’m curious though why you weren’t understood as a child…
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Yes Florence was reasonably common for a male, though often shortened to Flurry (as in Flurry Knox) or Flor. My Birmingham accent would have sounded very odd to an old west Cork woman, who was maybe a bit deaf as well.
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Love these posts on your family history Roy and especially the photos.
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Thanks Kath. That’s probably enough and until I get some more pics. Wishing you and your family a great Christmas.
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Merry Christmas Roy all the best for the holidays.
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